Garett: 00:28

Welcome to the deeper you go, the weirder it gets. I'm your host, Garett Renon. So this episode is funny because I set out to talk about aliens, which I did. But as I but as I started to get into it, I quickly realized that I first needed to go down a rabbit hole about the reality of space. Because the truth is, if aliens exist, what they are, where they are from, and how they got here largely depend on what type of universe we actually live in.

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For example, is the universe infinite or finite? And what role does Earth play? Is it an important part of some large cosmological cycle? Is it a realm? Or is it just a random rock floating in space that just so happens to be the perfect size and in the perfect location to harbor intelligent life?

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Also, why is our modern view of space so different from that of our ancestors? And so before we get into all that, I have some announcements. First, if you are enjoying the show and want to support it, please share it with a friend and make sure you subscribe and leave a review. Also, a few other ways to support me are you can buy me a cup of coffee. If you feel compelled to send a tip, I have linked my Venmo account.

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Sometimes using an email service, these emails get filtered as spam. So my email is located in the show notes. Anyway, that's it for now. So let's get into the episode. So I can't believe that I've done almost a hundred episodes and I haven't ever really talked about my thoughts on aliens.

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So what are they? Do I believe in aliens? Well, the answer is yes, no, and it depends. Right? Really, depends on what do you mean by aliens.

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Are we talking interstellar or interdimensional? See, I definitely believe that non human intelligent entities or aliens exist. However, I am very skeptical that these aliens come from outer space. Hell, I'm not even sure that outer space exist. At least not the mainstream version of outer space that we have all been programmed to believe.

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Now, I understand that making a statement like that makes people very uncomfortable or at the very least hearing that statement forces you to immediately make a judgment about my intelligence or sanity. But before you pass judgment, I first want you to ask yourself, is it possible or could it be possible that our existence, our world, and even our universe is different from what we have been told? Could it be possible that we are living in a false reality like the Truman Show? See the whole premise of the Truman Show is that Truman has been living in a fabricated false reality since birth. Every aspect of his life from his parents to his neighbors to his city to world history and even the ideas about the cosmos were all a lie.

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But because this is all Truman has ever known, he has no choice but to accept this reality as the truth. And what other choice does he have? So the question then becomes, how can you be so sure you are not living in a fabricated false reality? How do you know that what how do you know that you are not being fed lies to keep you in check, to keep you under control? See, remember, Truman was fed lies so that people could profit off of him.

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How do you know the same thing is not happening to you? With that in mind, when it comes to space, could it be possible that a different reality exists than the one we have been told? For example, could it be possible that the Earth is actually the center of our universe and that the stars, the sun, the moon, and the planets all revolve around the Earth? Could it be possible that our universe is finite? Could it be possible that the Earth is part of a closed system, one where there are various levels of existence, both higher and lower?

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Could it be possible that the sun, the moon, and the planets are something entirely different than we have been told? Now I know what you're thinking because most people laugh at these ideas thinking no. None of that is possible. But let me ask you this. How do you know?

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Really, how do you know? Is it because the television told you so? Is it because your seventh grade science teacher told you so? I mean, think about it. Who controls the television?

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Who controls the school system? I mean, you ever been to space? Have you ever done the calculations? If not, then how do you truly know that what you have been told about the universe is true? Remember, the same people who told you about the cosmos are the same people who have lied to you time and time again.

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And here's something interesting to chew on. See, when it comes to space or the universe, or the cosmos, just about every ancient culture on the planet, with the exception of our modern culture, believes or believed that the universe is finite. And that within this finite universe or system, there exist various levels or dimensions in which other entities reside. And many of these cultures also believe that the other objects in space, such as the sun, the moon, and the stars were so much more or even different from the celestial bodies that we believe they are today. For example, in Greek and Roman cosmology, the universe was largely seen as a finite geocentric system, meaning the earth was at the center surrounded by a series of concentric spheres, each carrying celestial bodies such as the sun, moon, planets, stars.

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They also believed that these celestial bodies were associated with the gods and the divine and that they greatly influenced human life. And according to Hindu and Buddhist cosmology, they described the universe as cyclical but finite in scope. The universe was seen as existing in an eternal cycle of creation and destruction, but within each cycle it was bounded by a system of layers or realms. And according to Norse cosmology, the universe was structured around Yggdrasil, the world tree, which connected nine different realms including Asgard, the realm of the gods, Midgard, the realm of humans also considered to be earth, Jotunheim, the realm of giants, Alfheim, a magical realm where elves lived, and Helheim, the land of the dead, among a few other realms. And it was believed that the gods, giants, elves, and other magical entities were able to travel back and forth between realms and that each realm had some influence over the others.

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The Mayans believed that the universe was structured in layers and that with the earth being a central sacred place that is surrounded by the heavens above and the underworld below. And the Shipibo tribe with whom I have studied with over the last several years also have a similar cosmology. They essentially believe that our universe is composed of four different worlds. The bottom world being the Henenete or water world. Then on top of the world water world sits the Non Nete, which is the physical world.

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The non nete is the world where we all currently reside. The next level is the panchine nete, which is essentially the spirit world. This world contained elements of both good and bad. Then finally, there is the Hakonnete, which is the good world, the divine world, and could be thought of as heaven. And within each of these worlds, the Shippable believe that many different entities and spirits reside and that each of these worlds affected the other.

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And what about the celestial bodies above us? What did our ancestors believe they were? Well, nearly all cultures throughout history with the exception of ours have viewed the moon, sun, stars, and planets not just as physical objects but as spiritual entities or divine beings. From the Incas and Egyptians worshiping the sun as a god to Native American tribes seeing the moon as a wise grandmother, these celestial bodies were believed to have direct influence over life on Earth. In Hindu astrology, the planets are seen as deities that shape human destiny, while in Mayan and Shapiro cosmologies, the universe is a deeply interconnected spiritual realm.

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Unlike the scientific perspective, these beliefs emphasize the symbolic and spiritual connection between the cosmos and human life where celestial bodies are part of a living divine order. So what's going on? Why is our current view and understanding of the universe so different from that of the past? Is it because we are right and they are wrong? Is it because we are so much smarter than them?

Garett: 13:40

Because we have science? See, it's funny because we like to believe that we are at the peak of human civilization and that our ancestors were uneducated buffoons. But the more I dig into history, especially hidden history, I am not so sure that our ancestors were as dumb as we had been led to believe. I mean, you do more than fifteen minutes of research, it is not hard to see that our ancestors were extremely smart, possibly even smarter than us in many areas. I mean, just look at the ancient architecture.

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There are many structures built by the Egyptians, Sumerians, Incans, Mayans, Greeks, and Romans that we are not capable of building today. Not to mention, these ancient societies built the foundation on which our modern society was formed. They invented language, mathematics, alchemy, science, philosophy, commerce, farming, etc. Also, look at the state of our modern society. Sure, it is no doubt that we have some impressive gadgets and technologies, but take a look around.

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We are a sick society that is suffering from depression, drug abuse, obesity, autoimmune diseases, including mental and emotional illnesses. See, I'm not sure what the quality of life was like for our ancestors, but there is no way you can convince me that that our modern society is the peak of human existence. There is no way you can convince me that our modern society has figured it all out. Either way, there is no denying that our ancestors were extremely smart. And not only were they smart, they also were way more connected to the natural world and the universe than we are today.

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And because of this strong connection, if we are truly being honest, it is highly possible that our ancestors had a better understanding of the cosmos and how it works than we do today. Right? I mean, think about it. How well do you know something or how well can you know something if you have no connection to it? Connection is everything.

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Connection is required for a deep understanding. Anyway, this is all to say that we shouldn't immediately discount our ancestors beliefs and worldviews just because we are told that they were wrong, that their beliefs were just the mere superstitions of uncivilized and uneducated peoples. Not to mention, we also know that our history is filled with censorship and suppression. History is always written by the victors as they say, which means that lots of knowledge has been lost, destroyed, or altered to benefit whoever is in charge at the moment, which reminds me of one of my favorite quotes by the late great comedian Norm Macdonald. So his quote is, it says here in this history book that luckily the good guys have won every single time.

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What are the odds? And it's not just happening in the history books. Hell, we even see this altering and suppression of knowledge and truth happening in real time today to benefit those who are currently in charge. So what do the history books tell us? They tell us that our ancestors' beliefs, thoughts, and opinions about the cosmos were wrong, that they were just superstitions.

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And, of course, that is what the history books are going to say. Right? I mean, do you really think that the victors would write a history saying that these people whom we conquered were better than us? That they were smarter than us? That their views of the world and the cosmos were correct and ours are wrong?

Garett: 17:55

See, the truth always gets altered. It's how the game is played. Now, with all that being said, I'm not necessarily saying that the mainstream scientific view of the universe is wrong. However, I am saying that now more than ever I am open to the possibility that maybe our ancestors were onto something. For example, like I said earlier, the Greeks and Romans believed in a geocentric model, which means the earth is the center of the universe.

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They also believed that the universe was finite. And, well, if that sounds crazy to you, what do you think about the mainstream scientific model? That sounds just as crazy and just as unbelievable. See, according to the mainstream scientific model, the universe is said to be infinite, which means there is no end to the universe. It's like the Energizer Bunny.

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Right? It just keeps going and going. Likewise, we're also told that there is an infinite amount of stars and planets in the universe. And see, infinity is one of those concepts that we just accept, but the reality is we can't even begin to comprehend what infinity actually means. See, this idea of infinity is so crazy that according to AI, an infinite universe means that given the vastness and possible repetition of particle arrangements, the conditions that gave rise to you will eventually occur again possibly possibly leading to a near identical version of you.

Garett: 19:40

Actually, if I if infinity really exists, this would mean that there would be an infinite amount of versions of you because the conditions required to produce you would happen an infinite amount of times. Now try wrapping your mind around that. How logical and probable does that sound? We are also told that the stars and planets that inhabit our universe are separated by vast distances from each other. We are talking about an average of four to five light years according to AI between the stars and our part of the Milky Way.

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Now maybe four year four light years doesn't sound all that far to you, but four light years is approximately 23,520,000,000,000 miles. See, the distance between stars and planets is so vast that most of space, again according to AI, is approximately 99.999% empty, which means for all intents and purposes we are essentially all alone in an empty void, which is absolutely wild to think about. And not to mention that we are also told that most of the planets of the known universe are either too hot, too cold, too big, or too small to harbor intelligent life, which is also crazy to think about. So because of all this, we have all been programmed to believe by modern science that life, especially intelligent life, is extremely rare and that our existence is just random luck. That our planet, by nothing more than a lucky roll of the dice, just so happened to land in what is called the Goldilocks Zone.

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That Earth just happened to be the right size with the perfect sized moon and the right distance from the Sun to harbor intelligent life. And that if any of those variables were different, we would not be here because life as we know it would not be able to exist. Now hearing all that, can you really tell me that the modern scientific model of the universe sounds any more plausible than a finite geocentric model or that the cosmos is composed of different realms or levels of existence? See, all theories about the universe sound absolutely crazy when you really think about them. And what all these theories are trying to do is figure out who we are and how we got here.

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More specifically, are we a product of randomness as science suggests, or are we a product of intelligent design as our ancestors suggest? And I think the answer to this question explains a lot about aliens, what they are, where they are from, and if they do exist, how they got here. See, if the universe is random and infinite, then, of course, other intelligent life exists. In fact, based on the definition of infinity, this means that there is an infinite amount of intelligent life in our ever expanding and growing universe. So why then haven't we seen any other intelligent beings?

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Obviously, there are lots of stories about encounters and sightings, but if we are completely honest, we have never seen any definitive proof of interstellar alien life. Why is that? Well, the obvious explanation based on the scientific on the mainstream scientific view is that our universe is so massive that these other entities are billions or even trillions of light years away from us. See, according to science, finding another planet in the Goldilocks zone is extremely rare, and there isn't anything remotely close to us that we have found that shows any sign of life, let alone intelligent life. So according to modern science, we are basically floating out in space all alone with our nearest neighbors nowhere to be found.

Garett: 23:45

And so even though aliens most likely exist, the reality is that they are just too far away from us to make contact. However, if the universe is a product of intelligent design, things can actually make a bit more sense. For example, if the universe is a product of intelligent design, the idea of Earth actually being the center of the universe seems to make a lot more sense. Right? Likewise, if the universe was designed, it would also make sense that the Earth would be part of a finite system, one where the stars are much closer, one where the only intelligent physical beings would be the inhabitants of Earth, the center of physical creation, and that is essentially what I believe.

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See, I believe that not only is Earth the main attraction, I believe that Earth is a sort of school or training ground for souls. I believe that we are a product of a system, one where there is a source from which we all originate from. Actually, let me step back for a second. I have to say that I do not believe in infinity, at least not in the idea of an infinite universe. I do, however, believe that our souls travel through a cycle that would seem to be infinite, the death and rebirth cycle.

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I believe our soul is born from source and that our soul travels through various levels of consciousness, both higher and lower, and then eventually our soul returns back to this source and that this cycle repeats indefinitely. And I believe that Earth is a stop along the way of our soul's cyclical journey and that Earth is a proving ground or school for our souls. And that when we arrive on Earth, our memory of who we are, the memory of our eternal soul, the memory that we are an individual expression of source is stripped away. We then inherit a temporary physical body, and our mission is to level up, to learn or relearn the secrets of our true identity, to fulfill our purpose and to generate good karma. This is how our soul evolves and grows.

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So if you are successful, you move on to the next dimension, to the next level of consciousness. If you are not, you repeat Earth school until you get it right. And if you and if you are really bad, you may get pushed down to an even lower dimension. See, earth's school is extremely hard and it can take people hundreds or thousands of lifetimes to finally figure it out. This is why earth is so important because it is a test that we must all pass.

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Okay. So how does this relate to all does this relate to aliens? Well, I believe that the aliens are interdimensional, not interstellar. That Earth is just one stop along the dimensional journey and that around us on Earth exist other beings from both higher and lower dimensions. Think of angels and demons or fairies, or the gods with the lowercase g, or spirit guides, or elves, or giants.

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See, our entire history is filled with stories, myths, and religions about nonhuman entities who interact with the human race. Some are good, some are bad, and some are neutral. In other words, these entities can help our progress or they can halt our progress. This is part of the test. This is part of the school.

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See, when I think about my own experiences, I interact with these spirits all the time. Ayooma could be considered an alien. I mean, it is a spirit that I interact with all the time. He guides me, helps me, protects me, and teaches me. He is extremely powerful, but he or it is definitely not human.

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And even though I can't show you physical proof of the spirit of Iooma, I can assure you it is real. And anyone who has ever done a ceremony with me has felt the presence of Iauma, and they will tell you it is real. In addition to the plant spirits, I've also had some crazy and weird and extremely interesting interactions with fairies, which I talked about in episode 68. So what are fairies? Well, they are not human, but they are intelligent And they definitely seem to exist as there are thousands of stories and myths about fairies and their interaction with humans.

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And based on my experience, I believe fairies are real, but that they live in a different dimension or realm. And see, I'm not discounting the possibility that interstellar aliens exist, but based on my experience, the, quote unquote, aliens are already here. They are all around us. They are just operating on a different frequency or wavelength that is just outside of our normal waking consciousness. They are interdimensional.

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This is why when you take certain plant medicines such as Ayahuasca or mushrooms, you tend to have interactions with these nonhuman entities. See, plant medicines expand our perception, and they thin the veil between our realm and the next. And when we do plant medicines, the aliens are not necessarily coming to us. We are going to them. We open up we often end up in their world, which is really cool, but also opens up a whole other can of worms.

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So I've said this before, but but this is why it is so important to do plant medicines not only in a controlled environment, but with someone who has been properly trained to manage these non earthly energies and entities. See, when you thin the veil and travel to other dimensions, you end up in a place that has a full spectrum of entities, entities who are willing to help. So entities who are willing to help and entities who are looking to harm. Knowing how to navigate these other dimensions properly and safely takes a lot of training, but that training can be the difference between an experience that leads to personal growth or an experience that sets you back on your personal journey. With that being said, it is also possible to reach these expanded states of consciousness by other methods such as breath work, meditation, fasting, etcetera.

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But regardless of the method, interacting with nonhuman entities shouldn't be taken lightly. So the point of of me telling you all this is not to scare you. I think these other dimensions or or the spirit world, as I like to call it, is a great place to visit. It can be life changing and life altering. You can learn a lot about yourself, learn a lot about the natural world, and you can meet a lot of interesting characters.

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So if you feel called to be an interdimensional traveler, I think you should go. But I also think you should proceed with caution because it's not all fun and games. So in conclusion, I definitely believe or know that interdimensional aliens exist. In fact, I interact with them on an almost daily basis. As far as Interstellar, I am open to the possibility, but I haven't had any interaction or experience with these types of aliens.

Garett: 31:18

And as far as my beliefs on the cosmos, I believe there is so much more going on than what we have been told. I do not believe space is infinite and mostly empty. I do not believe that the creation of Earth was just a lucky roll of the dice. When I look up at the night sky, I believe that what I am seeing is another dimension, a higher dimension, a dimension that is more energetic and spiritual than it is physical, a dimension that greatly affects life on earth, a dimension where we will eventually go once we are successful in earth school. See, my beliefs seem to align much more with the ancestral view than it does with the modern scientific view.

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This is because the modern scientific view of the universe is so cold, empty, and meaningless. Whereas the ancestral view is beautiful, everything is connected, and there is so much meaning. See, for all intents and purposes, science does not believe in an afterlife or other higher or lower realms because there is no physical proof. Science tells us that we are here by sheer luck and when it's over, it's over. But the ancestral view believes that our soul is on a journey, One that originates from source, goes through trials and tribulations where we grow and expand, one where various entities are always coming and going.

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Sure, maybe our ancestors got it wrong. Maybe it's just the ramblings of uneducated people, but it sure is beautiful. But there is something more. The ancestral view just feels right. And I know you feel it too.

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I know you know that life has meaning. And I know that you know that earth is so much more than a rock that just so happened to land in the Goldilocks Zone. I know that you know that we are all connected to the planets, the stars, the moon, and to each other. And I know that you know that what we do here on earth matters, that how we live our lives, how we treat people, and what we learn along the way, all of that matters. And finally, I know that you know that there is much more to our world and our universe that exists outside the measurement capabilities of science.

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Anyway, that's all I got. Let me know what you think. See you on the other side.